Curse

Paul Dawg · Apr 20, 2009, 05:43 AM // 05:43

You're not attacking every second as a war. The fastest you're going to attack is every 1.33 seconds--so that's a maximum of only 383 hp.

Also, if you're dropping 12 points into Healing in order to bring [vigorous spirit] up to 17 hp per attack, don't forget that that's 12 points you're taking away from something else. Just put those 12 points in strength, augment it to 13 or 14 with runes, be thankful for the armor penetration, and put on [lion's comfort] if you think you need a self-heal.

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

[vigorous spirit] actually has quite a bit of healing output, at 17 health per second for 30 seconds you actually get 510 hp.

Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 20, 2009, 06:38 AM // 06:38

or get a monk to put vigorous on you...

Bobby2 · Apr 20, 2009, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by moriz

you forgot 3:

wammos are completely redundant in the wake of the dervish, which is, at its core, a supped up mending wammo with about 5x the offence and 9x the defense.

Warriors can be Dervishes, in a way. [warrior's endurance]

Cebe · Apr 20, 2009, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Robbeh The Mad

I've noticed that people seem to have a huge problem with Wammos in the sense that very few people like them.

After 4 years they kind of set themselves up for ridicule.

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Originally Posted by Robbeh The Mad

They’re like the bastard children of GW, everyone hates them.

A lot of people hate them, yes, but they are still quite abundant.

Only brave soldiers need apply

1337 H4X · Apr 20, 2009, 10:06 AM // 10:06

Mending touch ftw
Rebirth ftw
Eveything else ftl

Winterclaw · Apr 20, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

or get a monk to put vigorous on you...

This is a little OT but VS is kind of a waste on a monks bar. Yes it'll help you top a warrior off or recover from a little damage, but it is subpar in keeping him alive when he just got spiked and needs a big heal now.

Part of me would like to say VS if you are bringing it along would be better off on a warrior or someone other than a monk just because a monk's bar space is pretty precious.

But then again, I wouldn't suggest you bringing it on a warrior's bar either... VS isn't that bad of a skill compared to other really bad ones, but it's not a skill I would want in most builds either.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 21, 2009, 06:43 AM // 06:43

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

You're not attacking every second as a war. The fastest you're going to attack is every 1.33 seconds--so that's a maximum of only 383 hp.

.88 seconds, because of course since you're playing war you always use an IAS.

Like I said, if my monk is leeching it's nice to have cast by random people.

Self healing is useless.

Paul Dawg · Apr 22, 2009, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Well, now I'm confused. I thought you were saying [vigorous spirit] is a decent skill to load onto a W/Mo. If it's a skill that someone ELSE is casting on you, that's a different story.

And lolz that self-healing is "useless." It's actually much more effective than being healed 17 points at a time by [vigorous spirit]. Give me [lion's comfort] any time.

Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 22, 2009, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Vigorous also happens to be an incredible cover enchant against strips. It's awesome in TA and in missions when you feel tired

Winterclaw · Apr 22, 2009, 06:28 AM // 06:28

Paul, self healing is okay, particularly if you are splitting in GvG and don't have a healer, but when the monk is around, it's best to leave the job up to them. LC also has an ade gain value that HS lacks... sometimes I use it for more ade only.

Wish, VS is a good cover enchant but in PvP there are skills that remove several enchantments at once.

Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 22, 2009, 09:26 AM // 09:26

yes

, but when i pvp it will be with a ranger that can actually hit rend ^^

-Vertex- · Apr 22, 2009, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

This is a little OT but VS is kind of a waste on a monks bar. Yes it'll help you top a warrior off or recover from a little damage, but it is subpar in keeping him alive when he just got spiked and needs a big heal now.

Part of me would like to say VS if you are bringing it along would be better off on a warrior or someone other than a monk just because a monk's bar space is pretty precious.

But then again, I wouldn't suggest you bringing it on a warrior's bar either... VS isn't that bad of a skill compared to other really bad ones, but it's not a skill I would want in most builds either.

VS is probably the most energy effective heal spell in the whole game (and thus is very well suited for a wammo), not to mention its use as cover ench. It's one of the best monk spells and severely underrated imo.

@Topic

Well, wammos are not bad by default. Selfheal is good when you can't rely on a monk to back you up. But you need to make sure that any points/skillslots you dedicate to selfheal don't hamper your ability to deal damage/kill stuff, as that is your main role. However, for PvP there have been a few wammo builds that were used in GvG split builds, for example:

[dismember][agonizing chop][disrupting chop][bull's strike][frenzy][rush][word of healing][resurrection signet]
[dismember][agonizing chop][disrupting chop][bull's strike][frenzy][rush][empathic removal][resurrection signet]
[eviscerate][executioner's strike][disrupting chop][bull's strike][frenzy][rush][restful breeze][resurrection signet]

As sword and axe warriors don't really need their elite to kill stuff you can sacrifice it for selfheal or hex removal without losing too much damage output if needed. However, in most situations [healing signet] would probably work better, especially after the latest buffs. But then you're not a wammo

Paul Dawg · Apr 22, 2009, 07:19 PM // 19:19

And that's exactly why [lion's comfort] is one of the most underappreciated skills in the game. It's an effective self-heal AND an adrenaline boost. As a war, I'd gladly put it on my bar anytime I have room for it. It's better than any /Mo healing skill you'd want to throw on.

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Paul, self healing is okay, particularly if you are splitting in GvG and don't have a healer, but when the monk is around, it's best to leave the job up to them. LC also has an ade gain value that HS lacks... sometimes I use it for more ade only.

_Nihilist_ · Apr 22, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

[Lion's [email protected]] is my choice of self-heal if I need to take one. Adrenaline gain is a good thing for Warrs.

Winterclaw · Apr 23, 2009, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by -Vertex-

VS is probably the most energy effective heal spell in the whole game (and thus is very well suited for a wammo), not to mention its use as cover ench. It's one of the best monk spells and severely underrated imo.

Basically you give up a slot on your skill bar to deal with one normal mob auto attacking you if you bring VS. Unless you are AoE attack farming, you can probably find a better use of space... and this is coming from someone who used to carry VS a lot on his warrior.

When you start taking real damage you need a better way to deal with that damage or kill it quicker.

FoxBat · Apr 23, 2009, 02:48 AM // 02:48

VS is 4-man party healing. It performs the same function of random heals that help clean up distributed pressure. It's generally not used in 8v8 formats because you have the room to take a char with stronger party heals, esp. on a flagger that can use them at long distance. The skill is great in Arenas for that reason, not sure about AB when you spend most of your time running around and blowing each other up extremely fast.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 23, 2009, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Last time I brought [lion's comfort] it kept me alive for another minute without a monk, but in the long run it didn't matter at all.

I'll take [shock] over a self heal any day, I can't count the number of times I've Qknocked a wammo's [healing breeze], cast at 10% hp and every time I do I die a little inside.

Really, [hammer bash] and good positioning has saved me at least as many times as any self heal.

[vigorous spirit] is great for efficiently cleaning up miscellanous damage across a group, but as was said most bars don't have room for it so [patient spirit] is used. I love it when it's casted on me, though.

Think about it like this:

You encounter a sin:

Wastrel's collapse
Falling spider
Twisting Fangs
Falling lotus Strike
[You cast restful breeze]
Blades of Steel
[You are dead]

Alternatively:

You encounter a sin:

Wastrel's collapse
Falling spider
Twisting Fangs
Falling lotus Strike
Devastating hammer.
Crushing blow.
Hammer bash.
[Sin runs away]
Bull's strike.
[Sin is dead]
[You wait a bit for poison to wear off and end with 100 hp]

Once I beat a Lyssa's aura assacaster 1v1 with primal rage on the whole time, not only did he give up and run but he couldn't even get away. Would have lost without [shock] or x2 interrupts.

Another time I beat a [wastrel's collapse] sin by using [death's charge] at the exact same time as him (instantly upon hitting aggro range), so we teleported to each other and his attack chain failed...

Only self heal I'd ever recommend is [mending touch] for your optional slot on a hammer build, but now you can't telespike monks.

qvtkc · Apr 24, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

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This is good advice. The best self heal is to kill all enemies.

Lux Aeterna · Apr 24, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

[hammer bash] is better than a self heal.

MasterSasori · Apr 24, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by qvtkc

This is good advice. The best self heal is to kill all enemies.

or at least incapacitate as many as you can. Self-heal really isn't worth so much. I like the adren gain from Lion's Comfort more than the heal at times.

I'd also prefer Antidote Sig over Mending Touch on a warrior.